More K-pop and J-pop
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koganbotSome excellent, excellent commentary on K-pop and J-pop (and a bit of Chinese pop) by Anonymous down in the comment thread to my mid-year lists, along with over a dozen video embeds.* Anyway, I'd like to stir up the local hivemind on what you think is going on in these three videos (and K-pop and J-pop in general, if you have any ideas; you're likely to know more than I, are extremely unlikely to know less, and shouldn't feel you have to know what you're talking about; I don't). First vid is Sandara's "Kiss" (Dara of 2NE1). Seems to be a standard, "I want your kiss, but your respect and commitment too, I'm not easy" story (while the lyrics are more "I want you to come through and kiss me," sorta like "Blah Blah Blah," though not really), so it's a flirtation, I'll-love-you-I'll-love-you-not, but there seems to be a cake-and-eat-it-too relationship to us, the viewers: is Sandara projecting strength or availability, is that a tension or can strength and availability go together? (Rapper, not in vid, is someone called CL, I think, and she's good.) Second vid is E.via's "Shake!" and from Anonymous's comments I gather she's really trying to have her cake and eat it too, pushing the envelope, critiquing and putting herself at a distance from the sex sell by throwing it in our faces, while at the same time, you know, still using the sex to sell. Of course, such strategies and such envelope-pushing occur in the U.S. too, and have the same tension and uneasiness, and get force from the tension and uneasiness, as does this. The Latin riffs help too.
Those two are K-pop, the third is from Japan, AKB48's "Keibetsu Shiteita Aijou," and when I was in my early teens I'd have lapped something like this up, 'cause it's about a suicide, and I lapped up songs about suicide: "Most Peculiar Man" and "Richard Cory" and "Save The Life Of My Child" by Simon & Garfunkel, Judy Collins' version of Leonard Cohen's "Dress Rehearsal Rag," which isn't a suicide per se but sure seems a suicide threat (Cohen hadn't recorded it yet; in a few years I made my way to his "Seems So Long Ago, Nancy"). "Keibetsu Shiteita Aijou" definitely plays the suicide as some form of rebuke, though it's complicatedly uncertain as to what the rebuke is rebuking: Our attempt to understand it? Adults with their know-it-all explanations? (Were the lyrics written by adults?) Is it a statement of a deeper wrong than just the dead girl's? As I said, as an early teen I lapped this stuff up — and by my mid teens I'd found Dylan and in my late teens I'd found the Velvet Underground and the Stooges, though this song doesn't romanticize self-destruction to the extent that those Americans did. But it does throw it at us as a brute fact.
And here it is live with an English translation.
Click the k-pop tab for other good discussion we've had here on the subject, mostly not by me.
*Also, Chuck's lists and a link to Josh's are down there too.
Those two are K-pop, the third is from Japan, AKB48's "Keibetsu Shiteita Aijou," and when I was in my early teens I'd have lapped something like this up, 'cause it's about a suicide, and I lapped up songs about suicide: "Most Peculiar Man" and "Richard Cory" and "Save The Life Of My Child" by Simon & Garfunkel, Judy Collins' version of Leonard Cohen's "Dress Rehearsal Rag," which isn't a suicide per se but sure seems a suicide threat (Cohen hadn't recorded it yet; in a few years I made my way to his "Seems So Long Ago, Nancy"). "Keibetsu Shiteita Aijou" definitely plays the suicide as some form of rebuke, though it's complicatedly uncertain as to what the rebuke is rebuking: Our attempt to understand it? Adults with their know-it-all explanations? (Were the lyrics written by adults?) Is it a statement of a deeper wrong than just the dead girl's? As I said, as an early teen I lapped this stuff up — and by my mid teens I'd found Dylan and in my late teens I'd found the Velvet Underground and the Stooges, though this song doesn't romanticize self-destruction to the extent that those Americans did. But it does throw it at us as a brute fact.
And here it is live with an English translation.
Click the k-pop tab for other good discussion we've had here on the subject, mostly not by me.
*Also, Chuck's lists and a link to Josh's are down there too.
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Date: 2010-07-10 11:14 pm (UTC)f(x) as the edgy, punk-y youth:
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Narsha (of Brown Eyed Girls fame) as the Madonna/Lady Gaga thought-provoker ( /catchy gibberish chorus provider):
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4MINUTE as the well-known sexy n' dangerous electro vixen:
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IU as the still innocent, young up-and-commer. This song has been a huge hit for the past month:
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Take a look at her interpretation of SNSD's Gee (and Super Junior's Sorry Sorry) for what seems to me like a hint that she'll come to find her own artistic signature soon enough:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbuSGltOync
* Note how 'concepts', a different word for roles, is (constantly) used when groups come back from a break as a way to frame what new tricks they're bringing to the floor. Sometimes that means 'going dark', 'going hip hop', or just "dressing up in marine/naval outfits" as when SNSD released Genie, but they're almost always given a tag.
Sometimes a group changes styles ever so slightly but remain more or less the same - f(x) have stayed with the spunky, DIY style so far - and sometimes it's a 180 degree turn, a group basically throwing previous musical signatures and image out the door for a try at something else -- see KARA going from cutesy crayola pop to dark and mysterious with single "Lupin". Narsha's development has come off as organic enough: BEG were a fairly anonymous group for years before they found their true selves as sexualized and daring women, and now her solo debut is placed in a quirkier, more adult setting -- no doubt according to her own preferences.
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Date: 2010-12-07 08:30 pm (UTC)New Embed for IU & Seulong Nagging
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