More K-pop and J-pop
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koganbotSome excellent, excellent commentary on K-pop and J-pop (and a bit of Chinese pop) by Anonymous down in the comment thread to my mid-year lists, along with over a dozen video embeds.* Anyway, I'd like to stir up the local hivemind on what you think is going on in these three videos (and K-pop and J-pop in general, if you have any ideas; you're likely to know more than I, are extremely unlikely to know less, and shouldn't feel you have to know what you're talking about; I don't). First vid is Sandara's "Kiss" (Dara of 2NE1). Seems to be a standard, "I want your kiss, but your respect and commitment too, I'm not easy" story (while the lyrics are more "I want you to come through and kiss me," sorta like "Blah Blah Blah," though not really), so it's a flirtation, I'll-love-you-I'll-love-you-not, but there seems to be a cake-and-eat-it-too relationship to us, the viewers: is Sandara projecting strength or availability, is that a tension or can strength and availability go together? (Rapper, not in vid, is someone called CL, I think, and she's good.) Second vid is E.via's "Shake!" and from Anonymous's comments I gather she's really trying to have her cake and eat it too, pushing the envelope, critiquing and putting herself at a distance from the sex sell by throwing it in our faces, while at the same time, you know, still using the sex to sell. Of course, such strategies and such envelope-pushing occur in the U.S. too, and have the same tension and uneasiness, and get force from the tension and uneasiness, as does this. The Latin riffs help too.
Those two are K-pop, the third is from Japan, AKB48's "Keibetsu Shiteita Aijou," and when I was in my early teens I'd have lapped something like this up, 'cause it's about a suicide, and I lapped up songs about suicide: "Most Peculiar Man" and "Richard Cory" and "Save The Life Of My Child" by Simon & Garfunkel, Judy Collins' version of Leonard Cohen's "Dress Rehearsal Rag," which isn't a suicide per se but sure seems a suicide threat (Cohen hadn't recorded it yet; in a few years I made my way to his "Seems So Long Ago, Nancy"). "Keibetsu Shiteita Aijou" definitely plays the suicide as some form of rebuke, though it's complicatedly uncertain as to what the rebuke is rebuking: Our attempt to understand it? Adults with their know-it-all explanations? (Were the lyrics written by adults?) Is it a statement of a deeper wrong than just the dead girl's? As I said, as an early teen I lapped this stuff up — and by my mid teens I'd found Dylan and in my late teens I'd found the Velvet Underground and the Stooges, though this song doesn't romanticize self-destruction to the extent that those Americans did. But it does throw it at us as a brute fact.
And here it is live with an English translation.
Click the k-pop tab for other good discussion we've had here on the subject, mostly not by me.
*Also, Chuck's lists and a link to Josh's are down there too.
Those two are K-pop, the third is from Japan, AKB48's "Keibetsu Shiteita Aijou," and when I was in my early teens I'd have lapped something like this up, 'cause it's about a suicide, and I lapped up songs about suicide: "Most Peculiar Man" and "Richard Cory" and "Save The Life Of My Child" by Simon & Garfunkel, Judy Collins' version of Leonard Cohen's "Dress Rehearsal Rag," which isn't a suicide per se but sure seems a suicide threat (Cohen hadn't recorded it yet; in a few years I made my way to his "Seems So Long Ago, Nancy"). "Keibetsu Shiteita Aijou" definitely plays the suicide as some form of rebuke, though it's complicatedly uncertain as to what the rebuke is rebuking: Our attempt to understand it? Adults with their know-it-all explanations? (Were the lyrics written by adults?) Is it a statement of a deeper wrong than just the dead girl's? As I said, as an early teen I lapped this stuff up — and by my mid teens I'd found Dylan and in my late teens I'd found the Velvet Underground and the Stooges, though this song doesn't romanticize self-destruction to the extent that those Americans did. But it does throw it at us as a brute fact.
And here it is live with an English translation.
Click the k-pop tab for other good discussion we've had here on the subject, mostly not by me.
*Also, Chuck's lists and a link to Josh's are down there too.
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Date: 2010-07-07 07:37 am (UTC)(Also is amazing to me that groups with so many members can connect to an audience. I'm sure there are a whole lot of subtleties in how this happens.)
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Date: 2010-07-07 10:12 am (UTC)I don't know too much about j-pop, k-pop is my bag, so I don't know who has written this. I assume it's an adult.
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Date: 2010-07-07 11:29 am (UTC)After that phase they went to a more pop side of them, changed record label and started another sound of them, the epicness of everyday life, more uplifting and at certain points almost self help music. But the thing is that I don’t think that they “sold out”, didn’t change the negativity for a false happiness, they still see all that is wrong in the world but they try to overcome it, even when they know that they are going to fail on that mission. If you want try to read “River” on the light of “Keibetsu…”
On “10nen Sakura” a graduation song, they talk about being able to keep this moment of happiness forever with them and to try to get together again in ten years even if, to quote the lyrics “Even if the hurt keeps coming/ and things don’t go so smoothly/ As the number of passing springs add up,/ I can become lonely,/ but if I believe in the future,/
I can keep going”
Or in this year “Sakura no shiori” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakura#Symbolism), with a music video by the director of “All About Lily Chou Chou”,
“Happiness and sadness are/ passing away with the season/ We’re starting to walk/on a new path
This cherry blossom petal is a/ bookmark of parting/ It brings back my friends’ expression/ when they waved their hands/ This cherry blossom petal is a
bookmark of tears/ So those important moments/ won’t ever be forgotten...
When I look up to the sky/ within such wideness/I’m starting to grasp the length of/this never ending path
Be it sunny day or rainy day,/ tomorrow will surely come/ So with a smile,/I’m taking one step forward”
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Date: 2010-07-07 11:46 am (UTC)One of the b-sides of the last single, “Boku no Yell” picture some of the girls as soccer team, and even if they try their best, they loose the match.
On “Choose Me”, that ends this way “Please choose your love/ from among your classmates/ Only one person/ Yes, your lover/Please choose your love/Everyone is cute/Everyone also has a good personality/For sure, I am out of range/ Just one thing that I can win in/I like you more than anyone”, there are stairs that you can never reach the top, watching beautiful landscapes (through the window), the sea, open, immense at their backs but they never look at it, playing DS while you are almost crying, etc. But maybe that is one of the subtleties that make me connect with the group…