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Links to the Mark Sinker–curated conference, Underground/Overground: The Changing Politics of UK Music-Writing 1968-85. By "music writing" he means the sort of thing Simon Frith does, not the sort of thing Jagger & Richard do (not that you should think there's a gap between the two sorts). I believe but I'm not certain that this is edited down (from about 12 hours to 8).
Participants included Richard Williams, Simon Frith, a host of others, including several of my lj friends (Mark,* Hazel, Tom, not that they're around lj anymore).
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-part-1-25th-may-2015
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt2-25th-may-2015
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt3-25th-may-2015
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt5-25th-may-2015 (this is actually part 4 mislabeled)
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85pt5-25th-may-2015
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt6-25th-may-2015
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt7
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt8-25th-may-2015
The Who "Substitute"
I haven't (as of 11 June 2015 AM) had a chance to listen myself. Mark wrote some thoughts afterwards, and there was something of a discussion at Freaky Trigger and a good bit less of one on ilX. I managed to be shocked by how inarticulate ilX was, even though I should know better than to expect anything different.** I got frustrated by the inarticulateness of the much-more-articulate Freaky Trigger convo, too; I'll probably manage to get frustrated by the inarticulateness of the conference as well, when I finally listen. But anyway, old Brit rockwrite/musicwrite does not get attended to or thought about much, at least within my earshot, and for me is mostly terra incognito (of the panelists, and not counting the latter-day moderators Hazel & Tom, I've read a lot of Frith, read a little Ingham in the late '70s, read Toop on hip-hop, and as far as I know that's it except for a Richard Williams interview at rockcritics.com). But anyway, as to the question, why care now what they said then, that's like asking why learn another language, why visit another country? For the surprise, for the familiarity, for the new view, because it's there, 'cause the past is different and the past is present. Maybe I can give more specific answers once I listen. If Mark cares, if Simon cares, you're likely to care.
( I'm the comment-thread era, not the article-review era )
Participants included Richard Williams, Simon Frith, a host of others, including several of my lj friends (Mark,* Hazel, Tom, not that they're around lj anymore).
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-part-1-25th-may-2015
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt2-25th-may-2015
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt3-25th-may-2015
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt5-25th-may-2015 (this is actually part 4 mislabeled)
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85pt5-25th-may-2015
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt6-25th-may-2015
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt7
https://www.mixcloud.com/Resonance/undergroundoverground-the-changing-politics-of-uk-music-writing-1968-85-pt8-25th-may-2015
I haven't (as of 11 June 2015 AM) had a chance to listen myself. Mark wrote some thoughts afterwards, and there was something of a discussion at Freaky Trigger and a good bit less of one on ilX. I managed to be shocked by how inarticulate ilX was, even though I should know better than to expect anything different.** I got frustrated by the inarticulateness of the much-more-articulate Freaky Trigger convo, too; I'll probably manage to get frustrated by the inarticulateness of the conference as well, when I finally listen. But anyway, old Brit rockwrite/musicwrite does not get attended to or thought about much, at least within my earshot, and for me is mostly terra incognito (of the panelists, and not counting the latter-day moderators Hazel & Tom, I've read a lot of Frith, read a little Ingham in the late '70s, read Toop on hip-hop, and as far as I know that's it except for a Richard Williams interview at rockcritics.com). But anyway, as to the question, why care now what they said then, that's like asking why learn another language, why visit another country? For the surprise, for the familiarity, for the new view, because it's there, 'cause the past is different and the past is present. Maybe I can give more specific answers once I listen. If Mark cares, if Simon cares, you're likely to care.
( I'm the comment-thread era, not the article-review era )
