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I presume most of you saw this (and I don't know how long this YouTube rip will stay up), but someone's posted the full interview. [EDIT: That link is down, but for now, at least, the interview is at these links on the 20/20 Website: Part One, Part Two, and Part Three.] Crucial passages:

I fell in love with that person. That's embarrassing. That's embarrassing that that's the type of person that I fell in love with, so far in love, so unconditional that I went back. It's humiliating to see your face like that. It's humiliating to say that this happened, to accept that.

. . .

At night I wouldn't go to sleep because I was too afraid it [her father beating her mom] would happen... He broke her nose one time but she would never go to the hospital. Domestic violence is not something that people want anyone to know. I always said to myself "I'm never going to date somebody like my dad. Never." I always said that.

. . .

You want this thing to go away. This is a memory you don't want to have ever again. So the minute the physical wounds go away you put it in the back of your head and start lying to yourself, subconsciously... Initially you start thinking "What could I possibly have said to make him hit me and do this?" Like, you replay that in your head, and eventually you're like, "No. Stop. Stop." I just - I didn't talk about it to anyone. To no one... If I feel this depressed, then what is
he going though? Again, lying to yourself: "I had to protect him." The whole world hates him now. His fans, his career. I just wanted to let him know, "Don't do anything stupid."

Of course - and she talks about this - there's a commercial incentive for her to explain why she initially went back to Chris and then to repudiate the going back; but this interview seems credible. Psychologically true. There's a moment where - for the first time - she's watching one of Chris's televised apologies, and she says that it seems like he's reading off a teleprompter. That felt very real, her saying this - so presumably she knows that the health of her psyche demands that she forgo any such canned bullshit herself.

I'd say Rihanna's the key figure in pop music for the last three years; the two before this one, anyway. And deservedly so, given the quality of the music and the way she delivers it. I've never felt a strong sense of her, either as a person or a persona, even though I've been consistently moved by the character of the songs. I wouldn't say I know how talented she is: her burnt, not-particularly flexible vocals manage to work on a whole slew of different material, from light to dark, I'm not sure why. I feel dumb or even wrong saying that all this - her getting beaten, this interview, etc. - has humanized her music for me, but it has.

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