Ann Powers (All you need is the Beatles? Maybe not.): The Beatles also taught me that pop could be a serious thing. Following the group's evolution across the tracks of the Red and Blue collections, I got an inkling of what artistic evolution sounded like. Little did I know that the story of the Beatles' transformation from a fun bunch of lads imitating Little Richard and Ronnie Spector to a serious quartet influenced by Karlheinz Stockhausen and Andy Warhol would become the foundation for a whole system of defining popular music's worth, which would become known as "rockism," and which favored the more "artistic" kind of rock on the second collection. Or that, decades later, a new gang of artists and thinkers, sometimes called "poptimists," would battle that legacy -- arguing for mop-top red over granny-glasses blue.
There are just so many zillions of things I want to dispute here, I don't know where to begin. But the one that bugs me the most is the progressive narrative about rock criticism that claims that the old generation of criticism was "rockist" - still a BULLSHIT word, and please please please read this column and this column by me, thank you* - and that only years later did some newbie "poptimists" come along to combat that legacy.
I'm sorry, but Richard Goldstein and Nik Cohn (who panned Sgt. Pepper's and The White Album respectively in the Sunday New York Times Arts and Leisure section; Goldstein was wrong and Cohn was right) are not a new gang of writers and thinkers, and they weren't just blips, either. Read Charlie Gillett's Sound Of The City (I think it's 1970, though the ppbk I've got is '72). Read Greil Marcus on the Beatles in the Rolling Stone Illustrated History Of Rock & Roll (first edition was 1976), and those are not just blips either, they're part of something like... well, not critical consensus but a particular strain in criticism, a strong one, the name of which... well, it didn't have a universal name, but there was one name that kept popping up, and obviously the strain wasn't particularly aimed at the Beatles' narrative but rather at the "progressive" narrative as a whole; but I was reading voices from that strain in Fusion starting in '69 and in Creem which also dates back to then but I didn't start reading it until early '74. The strain wasn't the only one in those magazines and probably wasn't the only one in any particular critic's head either, just as there isn't only a single strain in my head, but I'd say the strain is in rock criticism from the get-go, Goldstein's got it in '66 when he's praising the Shangri-Las for their lack of cool and for sounding desperately and hopelessly involved.
I'd say it was the popular narrative among music fans that the Beatles' evolution was from primitive to better, and the dissent was mainly from critics, though I remember that some of the freaks in my high school were also dissenters (not a majority of critics, but the dissenters were ultimately the ones with more influence). But as for the strain of criticism that I'm talking about, as I said it wasn't particularly Beatles-directed (fans loved the White Album but critics didn't, in my experience, but I don't remember the diagnosis being that the White Album was too arty, just that it was relatively bad, some of its worst songs being McCartney cutesy-poo), and this is how I described the strain of criticism, taking it as a given, in Why Music Sucks #1 (February 1987):
The basic attitude had existed for years [prior to 1969**] in the writings of Richard Meltzer, Sandy Pearlman, Nick Tosches, and other Crawdaddy-Fusion writers. And such different writers as Jon Landau, Ken Emerson, Les Daniels, Richard Goldstein, Greil Marcus, Robert Christgau, Lenny Kaye, and many more than I can think of shared the same ideas: that progressive rock wasn't progressive, the hippies weren't hip, etc.
That paragraph was meant to ensure that my readers understood that it wasn't true that you only got that attitude in Creem. And I was overstating the attitude; it's more like the hippies aren't necessarily hip and progressive rock wasn't necessarily progressive. These critics did get excited by new sounds and new ideas and some of what they liked was frankly avant garde, and Goldstein wasn't claiming that the Shangri-Las were better than Dylan and the Stones. And critics don't start writing a story of decline until '69, as far as I know, since decline takes a while. And obviously, saying that progressive rock isn't progressive doesn't mean that nothing should be progressive.
But anyway, as to the word that kept popping up, here it is, in a quotation from Dave Marsh, which my passage above was elaborating on (my first sentence was actually, "Marsh also implies, with typical inaccuracy, that the three of them took a lonely position that only later was accepted by the rock press"):
Our [Lester Bangs, Greg Shaw, Dave Marsh] point of view - which suffused each issue of Creem from roughly 1969 to 1973 - was vulgar, belligerent, often less respectful to rock's major institutions than many thought proper, with the result that all of us - and especially me as the most militant of the bunch - were frequently given fish-eye glances and assaulted with the epithet: "You are such a punk."
--Dave Marsh, Fortunate Son
So there you are, the word is "such" - he italicized it - and in the May 1971 issue of Creem, in a review of a ? and the Mysterians reunion gig, Marsh applied it to some of the music he liked, calling the Mysterians "Such Rock," and the rest is history. (Well, here's the quote, "Needless to say, it was impossible to pass up such a landmark exposition of punk rock, even after two nights running of Tina Turner.")
In any event, this will be a subject for a different post, but as for my "strain of rock criticism," it includes every interesting rock critic of that era.
Look, there is no poptimism, unless by "poptimism" you mean "every interesting rock critic ever." I doubt that there's an interesting critic left who thinks you can simply dismiss pop music without listening to it and taking its measure (even if criticism often falls short in practice). But if we're stuck with the word, we need anti-poptimism poptimists (just as in 1969 Peter Laughner and Charlotte Pressler were hoping for a counter-counterculture), to counter the narrative that lauds the Slow Triumph Of Poptimism and that locates openmindedness and social worthiness and fun and (somehow) feminism and anti-racism on the brave poptimist side of criticism.****
And do you guys really think that music criticism overall is getting smarter?
h/t Tom Ewing
*Key sentence: "Antirockism is rockism with a few of the words changed."
**Years prior to 1969 couldn't be too many years; also, one might get the wrong impression that I'd read an issue of Crawdaddy; in fact, I never saw the original 'zine; I did read a Meltzer piece on Elvis that was xeroxed for me many years later and of course the stuff of Meltzer's that ended up in The Aesthetics Of Rock.
***And as for my turning my guns on postpunk and indie-alternative in my Why Music Sucks essay, I was basically revamping (and deepening, I believe) the old critique, turning it on postpunk and alternative as they were more and more trying to occupy a "progressive" role, but also trying to understand an entire social process that produced postpunk and indie, trying to understand my connection to it, my embeddedness in it, rather than foisting all the bad results on some other guy.
****I'm not laying all this on Ann, however. But you know the tendencies I'm talking about.
There are just so many zillions of things I want to dispute here, I don't know where to begin. But the one that bugs me the most is the progressive narrative about rock criticism that claims that the old generation of criticism was "rockist" - still a BULLSHIT word, and please please please read this column and this column by me, thank you* - and that only years later did some newbie "poptimists" come along to combat that legacy.
I'm sorry, but Richard Goldstein and Nik Cohn (who panned Sgt. Pepper's and The White Album respectively in the Sunday New York Times Arts and Leisure section; Goldstein was wrong and Cohn was right) are not a new gang of writers and thinkers, and they weren't just blips, either. Read Charlie Gillett's Sound Of The City (I think it's 1970, though the ppbk I've got is '72). Read Greil Marcus on the Beatles in the Rolling Stone Illustrated History Of Rock & Roll (first edition was 1976), and those are not just blips either, they're part of something like... well, not critical consensus but a particular strain in criticism, a strong one, the name of which... well, it didn't have a universal name, but there was one name that kept popping up, and obviously the strain wasn't particularly aimed at the Beatles' narrative but rather at the "progressive" narrative as a whole; but I was reading voices from that strain in Fusion starting in '69 and in Creem which also dates back to then but I didn't start reading it until early '74. The strain wasn't the only one in those magazines and probably wasn't the only one in any particular critic's head either, just as there isn't only a single strain in my head, but I'd say the strain is in rock criticism from the get-go, Goldstein's got it in '66 when he's praising the Shangri-Las for their lack of cool and for sounding desperately and hopelessly involved.
I'd say it was the popular narrative among music fans that the Beatles' evolution was from primitive to better, and the dissent was mainly from critics, though I remember that some of the freaks in my high school were also dissenters (not a majority of critics, but the dissenters were ultimately the ones with more influence). But as for the strain of criticism that I'm talking about, as I said it wasn't particularly Beatles-directed (fans loved the White Album but critics didn't, in my experience, but I don't remember the diagnosis being that the White Album was too arty, just that it was relatively bad, some of its worst songs being McCartney cutesy-poo), and this is how I described the strain of criticism, taking it as a given, in Why Music Sucks #1 (February 1987):
The basic attitude had existed for years [prior to 1969**] in the writings of Richard Meltzer, Sandy Pearlman, Nick Tosches, and other Crawdaddy-Fusion writers. And such different writers as Jon Landau, Ken Emerson, Les Daniels, Richard Goldstein, Greil Marcus, Robert Christgau, Lenny Kaye, and many more than I can think of shared the same ideas: that progressive rock wasn't progressive, the hippies weren't hip, etc.
That paragraph was meant to ensure that my readers understood that it wasn't true that you only got that attitude in Creem. And I was overstating the attitude; it's more like the hippies aren't necessarily hip and progressive rock wasn't necessarily progressive. These critics did get excited by new sounds and new ideas and some of what they liked was frankly avant garde, and Goldstein wasn't claiming that the Shangri-Las were better than Dylan and the Stones. And critics don't start writing a story of decline until '69, as far as I know, since decline takes a while. And obviously, saying that progressive rock isn't progressive doesn't mean that nothing should be progressive.
But anyway, as to the word that kept popping up, here it is, in a quotation from Dave Marsh, which my passage above was elaborating on (my first sentence was actually, "Marsh also implies, with typical inaccuracy, that the three of them took a lonely position that only later was accepted by the rock press"):
Our [Lester Bangs, Greg Shaw, Dave Marsh] point of view - which suffused each issue of Creem from roughly 1969 to 1973 - was vulgar, belligerent, often less respectful to rock's major institutions than many thought proper, with the result that all of us - and especially me as the most militant of the bunch - were frequently given fish-eye glances and assaulted with the epithet: "You are such a punk."
--Dave Marsh, Fortunate Son
So there you are, the word is "such" - he italicized it - and in the May 1971 issue of Creem, in a review of a ? and the Mysterians reunion gig, Marsh applied it to some of the music he liked, calling the Mysterians "Such Rock," and the rest is history. (Well, here's the quote, "Needless to say, it was impossible to pass up such a landmark exposition of punk rock, even after two nights running of Tina Turner.")
In any event, this will be a subject for a different post, but as for my "strain of rock criticism," it includes every interesting rock critic of that era.
Look, there is no poptimism, unless by "poptimism" you mean "every interesting rock critic ever." I doubt that there's an interesting critic left who thinks you can simply dismiss pop music without listening to it and taking its measure (even if criticism often falls short in practice). But if we're stuck with the word, we need anti-poptimism poptimists (just as in 1969 Peter Laughner and Charlotte Pressler were hoping for a counter-counterculture), to counter the narrative that lauds the Slow Triumph Of Poptimism and that locates openmindedness and social worthiness and fun and (somehow) feminism and anti-racism on the brave poptimist side of criticism.****
And do you guys really think that music criticism overall is getting smarter?
h/t Tom Ewing
*Key sentence: "Antirockism is rockism with a few of the words changed."
**Years prior to 1969 couldn't be too many years; also, one might get the wrong impression that I'd read an issue of Crawdaddy; in fact, I never saw the original 'zine; I did read a Meltzer piece on Elvis that was xeroxed for me many years later and of course the stuff of Meltzer's that ended up in The Aesthetics Of Rock.
***And as for my turning my guns on postpunk and indie-alternative in my Why Music Sucks essay, I was basically revamping (and deepening, I believe) the old critique, turning it on postpunk and alternative as they were more and more trying to occupy a "progressive" role, but also trying to understand an entire social process that produced postpunk and indie, trying to understand my connection to it, my embeddedness in it, rather than foisting all the bad results on some other guy.
****I'm not laying all this on Ann, however. But you know the tendencies I'm talking about.
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Date: 2009-08-31 02:34 pm (UTC)I'm picking and choosing here, and I realize that "yeah yeah yeah" outshouts "She says you hurt her so, she almost lost her mind," but do "Anna" and "Don't Bother Me" and "Not A Second Time" and "You've Really Got A Hold On Me" and "You Can't Do That" and "Day Tripper" and "Help" and "Ticket To Ride" sound like "fun bunch of lads"? And do "Yellow Submarine" and "When I'm 64" and "All You Need Is Love" and "Your Mother Should Know" and "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" and "Rocky Raccoon" and "Hey Bulldog" and "Octopus's Garden" sound like "serious quartet"? Seems to me that as the Beatles became more self-consciously Art they also became more self-consciously Fun, the Fun usually being worse than the Art. Basically, if you want to make a bright fun Beatles tape for kids, you start with Yellow Submarine (last song on the red anthology) and go chronologically from there, ignoring everything earlier. At least, this is my bitter experience, trying to impose a red-dominated tape on Naomi's recalcitrant kids back in 1999. (They way preferred the Yellow Submarine album.) And even with the red and blue anthologies that Ann listened to not matching my songs above, the red anthology making the early years sound more upbeat than they actually were, I really don't see how the story she tells matches what her ears had to have heard. I mean, side three of Red just isn't a barrel of laughs.
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Date: 2009-08-31 02:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-31 03:14 pm (UTC)Again, Ann had to simplify, and for all I know she might agree with what I just wrote, and what I'm about to:
If the Beatles broke up in late '65 before recording Rubber Soul you'd still get progressive rock and the rock-pop split, and the music wouldn't sound that different in the short run. Oddly, you don't get too many bands immediately taking up the late Beatles' sound, though the Kinks and Pink Floyd are prominent exceptions, maybe the Who a bit (though you can argue that the Kinks are doing a lot of the innovations on their own before hearing the Beatles do them; and you can argue that the Who's harmonic adventurous come from the Beach Boys more than the Beatles; also, the Kinks aren't scoring many hits in the U.S. after '66, and Floyd barely score any in the '60s). I think there's a longer-term impact, with late Beatles' harmonies coming to define "psychedelia" and paisley revivals and such, but most psychedelia didn't actually sound like that.
In any event, Highway 61 Revisited had already happened, as had For Your Love and Having A Rave-Up With The Yardbirds; and Blonde On Blonde was going to happen, as was 5-D and Younger Than Yesterday and John Mayall's Bluesbreakers and The Doors and Crown Of Creation and Are You Experienced? and Disreali Gears, and also Sweetheart Of The Rodeo and The Flying Burrito Brothers, albums which set the vocabulary for rock in the late '60s and early '70s much more than the later Beatles albums did. (That's a U.S.-centric list, however, even if a lot of the groups aren't, so late '60s Britain might have been a bit more Beatley.)
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Date: 2009-08-31 03:34 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2009-08-31 03:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-31 03:24 pm (UTC)(I love Rubber Soul and Sgt. Pepper's while having trouble even liking most of Revolver. But I'm basically an early Beatles guy, would rank the American Beatles' Second Album and the British Help! as my two favorites.)
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Date: 2009-08-31 03:54 pm (UTC)I confused things (original draft of that sentence contained no mention of the freaks in my high school). Basically, I'm saying that critics who dissented from the progressive Beatles narrative ultimately had more influence than those who didn't (though there really wasn't a "you're with the narrative or against it," just a general skepticism towards the pretensions of the counterculture).
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Date: 2009-08-31 04:07 pm (UTC)All I'm saying is that, while the idea that later Beatles were musically superior to early Beatles certainly was in circulation -- I believed it for years, not sure why -- as you've already pointed out, I just have never seen evidence that the idea trickled down from rock critics. Maybe there were other factions of "the rock press" that suggested this, but it'd be nice if someone who insisted as much pointed out where this occurred. (I wonder if the critical divide here was more a function of FM usurping Top 40? I'd hazard a guess that the key songs from Sgt. Pepper/White Album/Abbey Road had much more prolonged life on the radio?)
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Date: 2009-08-31 06:05 pm (UTC)But there was a time, 1969, when I preferred Beggars Banquet to Big Hits (High Tide And Green Grass), though I'm very remote from that preference now.
Also, I can see how someone can prefer the late Beatles without necessarily buying into the progressive narrative - i.e., not assuming that later Beatles must be better but preferring the brightness of the later sound and the chances Lennon took when flinging words and so on. When I interviewed Alan Ravenstine of Pere Ubu back in '87 he told me that Sgt. Pepper's excited him because it was the first record he'd heard that was overwhelmingly visual, and I kind of get that.
I think most of Sgt. Pepper's holds up well. Sure it's overrated, a knee-jerk "Greatest record ever made," but it's also the most underrated overrated record, since it's the knee-jerk response to "name an overrated record." It doesn't have the emotional gut-kick that I get from "Not A Second Time," but then it's not going for gutkick; more opening up into the rainbow skies, or something.
Proofing, fact-checking (though still somewhat lame on the latter)
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Date: 2009-08-31 04:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-31 04:13 pm (UTC)Really, Neil? I always assumed he was a staple from the get-go. Maybe that's a purely Canadian perspective?
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Date: 2009-08-31 05:47 pm (UTC)Sent: Mon 8/31/2009 11:02 AM
To: Powers, Ann
Subject: A Frank Kogan response to something you wrote recently
Worth reading, Ann, if you haven't.
Hope you're well..- Chuck
http://koganbot.livejournal.com/164709.html
From: Powers, Ann
Subject: RE: A Frank Kogan response to something you wrote recently
To: "chuck eddy"
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 12:08 PM
I hadn't seen it. Good points, and please tell him I apologize for being overly reductive.. I'll share it on my Facebook. Unfortunately on another dealine now otherwise I would address it further...I do appreciate the corrective.
However I didn't really think my essay about Lady GaGa was as dumb as Tom Ewing said it was.
Re: Speed of fucking light
Date: 2009-08-31 05:49 pm (UTC)Re: Speed of fucking light
Date: 2009-08-31 11:53 pm (UTC)Re: Speed of fucking light
Date: 2009-09-01 02:23 am (UTC)Re: Speed of fucking light
Date: 2009-08-31 07:33 pm (UTC)"Powers is always insightful and there’s a bunch of good individual points but the whole feels a bit underdone to me."
Did I say it was more awful somewhere else?
http://tomewing.tumblr.com/post/148077630/when-rock-stars-fake-it
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Date: 2009-08-31 07:10 pm (UTC)there's a sense in which uk rock criticism was really trying to get itself off the ground AT ALL 75-85, and i think the rockist/antirockist argument emerges out of that: how brits establish themselves as separately serious from us models....
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Date: 2009-08-31 07:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-31 07:29 pm (UTC)Well, to the narrative of Beatles progress. (By the way, the Beatles et al. were right to try to expand their music. The times demanded it. To repeat in the late '60s what they'd done '62 through '65 would have produced crap, I'm sure.)
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Date: 2009-08-31 07:34 pm (UTC)Journalism as scorched earth
Date: 2009-08-31 11:24 pm (UTC)I think, though, the impetus for her piece, or anyway for the form her piece took, was seeing rock band and going "Oh, no, this is a step backwards!"
I think where I'd have started is that the moptop haircuts were a Brian Epstein balancing act that the Beatles pulled off brilliantly, making themselves simultaneously dangerous and not dangerous at once, hence a huge audience. But the danger is something that's hard to retrieve historically, especially if you're telling the narrative through pictures, and the meaning of the hairstyle belonged to a moment, and hair now doesn't mean what hair meant then. And from there I'd talk about narratives and counter narratives.
Re: Journalism as scorched earth
Date: 2009-08-31 11:27 pm (UTC)HER own original narrative, that is