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I take my critical stand in favor of... Ke$ha? Yeccch!
Great convo over on the Singles Jukebox, in full thrall even as I type this, about "Blah Blah Blah" which I reviewed at the last minute expecting to give it a 6 or so and discovered to my surprise that I was at a 9.*
This was my Jukebox review:
Tunefully pretty clatter that's clatter nonetheless, fusillades of frosting from all sides, chocolate kisses battling with sugar squirts, totally blah-blah-blah appropriate. Wiseacres 3OH!3 show up sounding proper and somnolent in comparison and are instantly obliterated by Ke$ha's cotton-candy eruption.
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And this was my comment, in response to Alex O. saying "She dares to be stupid and vapid and revels in it, and makes it sound attractive":
She may simply be stupid and vapid – I haven't done the research. She's probably just falling into clichés of the wild life as her path of least resistance, though I'd like to project desperation onto her in order to imagine depth. I hated her from the get-go and may still hate her. So I went into this thinking "catchy enough for a 6″ and came out with a 9; what happened is that I hooked into the high-pitched pretty chaos and the pulse that's quite a hot throb underneath and that pulls everything together, and as sound this began making "You Belong With Me" and "I Kissed A Girl" and "3″ and "I'm On A Boat" and "Loba" and "Tik Tok" and "Heels" and "Untouchable" and "Outta My Head" and "Wobble" and "Cry For You" and "Disturbia" seem too pale and bare and languid in comparison. As sound, that is.
In other words, this rocks. The nearest equivalent I can think of is Tommy James & The Shondells' "Mony Mony," and this has a throb that beats that.
Which doesn't necessarily make "Blah Blah Blah" better than all those – though maybe it does, my viscera often holding sway against everything else; but I'm not a one-issue voter. But if I were still thinking of going anywhere as a musician, I'd try to figure out what Ke$ha and her producers did here and ask myself, "How can I harness that?"
Ke$ha
Tommy James & The Shondells
EDIT: Oh yes, and I spent half an hour last night doing a quick skim of John Leland's singles columns in Spin in the late '80s, unsuccessfully looking for what my memory told me was his recalling how he once said to his mom that he liked rock 'n' roll because it was noise, and by noise he meant Tommy James, not the Stooges. Maybe my memory is wrong here, and it was someone else, or my imagination.</failed fact check>
*UPDATE: Of that great Jukebox convo, while the reviews are still up, 50 of the 51 comments no longer show at the site, but Edward O. fortunately had them on file and I've now posted them here on Dreamwidth/LJ!
Great convo over on the Singles Jukebox, in full thrall even as I type this, about "Blah Blah Blah" which I reviewed at the last minute expecting to give it a 6 or so and discovered to my surprise that I was at a 9.*
This was my Jukebox review:
Tunefully pretty clatter that's clatter nonetheless, fusillades of frosting from all sides, chocolate kisses battling with sugar squirts, totally blah-blah-blah appropriate. Wiseacres 3OH!3 show up sounding proper and somnolent in comparison and are instantly obliterated by Ke$ha's cotton-candy eruption.
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And this was my comment, in response to Alex O. saying "She dares to be stupid and vapid and revels in it, and makes it sound attractive":
She may simply be stupid and vapid – I haven't done the research. She's probably just falling into clichés of the wild life as her path of least resistance, though I'd like to project desperation onto her in order to imagine depth. I hated her from the get-go and may still hate her. So I went into this thinking "catchy enough for a 6″ and came out with a 9; what happened is that I hooked into the high-pitched pretty chaos and the pulse that's quite a hot throb underneath and that pulls everything together, and as sound this began making "You Belong With Me" and "I Kissed A Girl" and "3″ and "I'm On A Boat" and "Loba" and "Tik Tok" and "Heels" and "Untouchable" and "Outta My Head" and "Wobble" and "Cry For You" and "Disturbia" seem too pale and bare and languid in comparison. As sound, that is.
In other words, this rocks. The nearest equivalent I can think of is Tommy James & The Shondells' "Mony Mony," and this has a throb that beats that.
Which doesn't necessarily make "Blah Blah Blah" better than all those – though maybe it does, my viscera often holding sway against everything else; but I'm not a one-issue voter. But if I were still thinking of going anywhere as a musician, I'd try to figure out what Ke$ha and her producers did here and ask myself, "How can I harness that?"
Ke$ha
Tommy James & The Shondells
EDIT: Oh yes, and I spent half an hour last night doing a quick skim of John Leland's singles columns in Spin in the late '80s, unsuccessfully looking for what my memory told me was his recalling how he once said to his mom that he liked rock 'n' roll because it was noise, and by noise he meant Tommy James, not the Stooges. Maybe my memory is wrong here, and it was someone else, or my imagination.</failed fact check>
*UPDATE: Of that great Jukebox convo, while the reviews are still up, 50 of the 51 comments no longer show at the site, but Edward O. fortunately had them on file and I've now posted them here on Dreamwidth/LJ!
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Actually I agree with you that this sounds good/immediate in the same way [The Shondells; I thought "early punk"; everyone on YTube says L'Trimm, which may be the FIRST TIME EVER I have derived an insight from YTube comments] does... I ought to have all sorts of sonic hangups about it but don't.
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The Shondells were early punk! Or is that what you meant? (When Dave Marsh coined the term "punk rock" in 1971 he was talking about a ? And The Mysterians re-union gig, 1966 having been the year when ? And The Mysterians had their one hit, and when Tommy James had his first.)(But when Nick Tosches wrote "The Punk Muse" the summer before Marsh's piece, he was talking about the Heartbeats and Dylan.)
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Anyway, the character as written and performed does kind of beg these questions, quite aggressively, in a way that most of pop's drinking culture doesn't. But at the same time I don't see any room for a satisfying way of "deepening" the character in any meaningful way; the contortions, for all their alternating calculation/control and genuine surprise are kind of the whole show. (Or to extend Kat's metaphor, when you start looking for depth in a piece of tissue paper you'll just end up ruining it -- but you'll also ignore the beauty and in this case strangeness that's right there on the surface.)
And yet I'm still not convinced that this whole Ke$ha thing isn't an elaborate marketing scheme for an upcoming music parody movie.
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The album as is can't really be deepened but one can wonder eg. where a second album might go (rehab?).
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I still think this is a point in Ke$ha's favor, somehow. I feel like there's something brutal about her (maybe her, maybe her "persona's") cluelessness, something genuinely shocking, but not at all for the reasons she wants to shock. And I think there's something to be said for the way in which Ke$ha somehow gets to a spectacle that's oddly uncontrolled, the antithesis of (I'd maybe say mannered?) Gaga spectacle, though I think they're doing different things and seem to like both of them now. But when I listen to Ke$ha my brow actually furrows, and I think about what the display sort of means, which is something I've never really been able to do with Gaga in a more visceral way, only abstractly, via costumes and videos and quotes etc. Her music doesn't make my jaw drop at all, which isn't to say it's bad, but that it's mising a certain kick in the gut that Ke$ha has, whether she means to or not (and if she means to, I don't think it kicks me in the gut in the way I think she means for it to).
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It's cos the person is going "look at me I'm wild and hard and don't give a shit" and meanwhile you're feeling extremely sorry for them because you suspect they were raped by their stepfather as a pre-teen or something.
(I mean, I've met ppl like that in real life; I expect most have.)
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Would pay actual $ for this lulz
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"She dares to be stupid and vapid" - how is this daring? How is it not what everyone else in pop does?
Pop's drinking culture and embrace of vapidity isn't bad in itself, but nor is it good in itself. What makes it good or bad is how you do it. And Ke$ha does it fucking terribly.
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Anyway, being forced to have fun is never fun! It's...getting roofied, or something.
Side note: I was actually thinking, as I got ready this morning, am I doing the same thing to Ke$ha that I accuse other people of doing to Taylor Swift? Namely, setting up an artificial acceptable / unacceptable dichotomy, and engaging in "kind of girl" criticism? ("I don't like Taylor Swift because she's the kind of girl who...") I haven't come up with an answer yet, but now that you mention being "forced" to have fun, I realize part of the reason I dislike Ke$ha is because she seems like the kind of girl who will, like, repeatedly grope you, no matter how many times you tell her to stop. (There's a probably-not-intentionally hilarious bit in the "Blah Blah Blah" video where she's telling this guy to stop talking to her because he's never going to get her, while writhing and crawling into his lap, while he ignores her and seems perfectly content to just play his guitar.)
Also nothing about Ke$ha (as a person, as opposed to as a persona) reads "out of her depth" to me. She seems completely capable, and well aware of what she's doing and how she's being perceived. In fact, I think part of what bothers me about her is how in her depth she seems -- it's that thing with the viral video, it's what
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But I definitely think that Ke$ha scans as far less capable than Katy Perry, not quite selling her singing or her rapping or her whatever else she's doing. Also think her artifice is somewhat complicated by how blunt and violent some of the imagery is -- that line between caricature and someone with issues. Not that she's singing about the issues, but there seems to be a sense in her details that something's amiss -- funnily, when she tries to sing about pain she really falls flat ("Dancing with Tears in My Eyes"). What I can't figure out is why (for me) the other stuff isn't falling flat when it seems like it should be.
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There's a definite link between the haphazardness/slap-dash nature of the sonics (no matter how deliberate they are) that feeds into how her persona scans - ditto the (purposely?) grating vocals which somehow add up to something that's insanely catchy. And Ke$ha's genuinely embarrassing in a way that Katy or GaGa never were. GaGa I disagreed with - "you aren't as smart as you think you are (yet)". Katy was annoying and frustrating but more in a "HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HOW WRONG YOU ARE?" way. Ke$ha makes my skin crawl at times and other times makes me feel embarrassed for her. Not sure if that's the right way to describe it.
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aceterrier, whose real name I don't know, made a good point in response to the "dumbest Ke$ha lyrics" thing over on Tumblr:
The dumbest ones are the ones where she tries to be all vulnerable and ends up just sounding like everyone else.
I don't necessarily agree that this is tied to her trying to be vulnerable (some of her best stuff is in her vulnerable songs) but I do agree that the big problem with Ke$ha is, try as she might to create some sort of personality for herself, she doesn't sound any different than anyone else. And it's because she's a bad storyteller. As a songwriter, as a pop star, as an interview subject, she consistently chooses to come back to the most generic concepts: alcohol, sex, swearing, rebellion. She hardly ever peels back the layers of those things, exposes the details, makes them personal and distinct. And that's what I mean when I say she sounds well within her depth: She doesn't seem like she's bitten off more than she can chew, she seems like she hasn't taken a bite at all.
I suppose it might be an issue that I prize "distinct" over everything else, but I'm a writer. I'm trained to look for time and place and character and conflict. And the songs I like all have those things, or at least start down the road toward having those things. "Take It Off." "Stephen." (Although musically it just riffs off of Imogen Heap's "Hide and Seek." Someone should tally up the number of times Animal sits on sounds established by other artists -- there's "Dinosaur," there's "Take It Off.") "Animal," where her voice hits a sweet spot between Fall Out Boy's emo whine, that Katy/GaGa vaudeville brass, and Rihanna's burnt hardness. The bit in "Backstabber" where she bitches about how all she ever did was drive your broke ass around.
But overall, she fails. She fails at establishing time and place and character in her conflict in her songs and in her persona.
Which is not to say that "starting down the road toward those things" won't be enough for me in the long run. it was enough for me with Lady GaGa. And even as I'm writing this, I can tell that in a week I'm going to turn around on Ke$ha, just like I did with Lady GaGa (and maybe turn around on her again, just like I did with Katy Perry). But even then -- the way I feel about Lady GaGa is very different from the way I feel about Lily Allen, or Demi Lovato, or Ashlee Simpson. I like Lady GaGa's songs. I have a relationship with Lily's and Demi's and Ashlee's.
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It's weird because I think I consistently agree with your criticisms. But it's the fact that these songs seem to be sticking with me despite your being totally right on about almost all of this that suggests to me that something else is going on here -- not necessarily in any visionary or even sustainable way, just in a flukey sort of "well who'da thunk THAT would work" way. Like, I agree with you about "Take It Off" -- sets a fairly generic, if detailed, scene and goes no further with it; yet the neener-neener "place in France" chorus does it for me -- that's the one that made me think of Scooter initially. The thing boshes!
"Party at a Rich Dude's House" is as tautological as Andrew WK -- "WE ARE HAVING A PARTY BECAUSE A PARTY IS FUN AND IT IS FUN BECAUSE IT IS A PARTY." The details are blank -- rich = caviar, =Dom, =...swimming pool limousines? What is this, an Aaron Carter video? So the song, rather than trying to outline a situation, simply rides on the mere fact of itself, not unlike "I'm on a Boat" or "Combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell." And like those, I can't quite put my finger on why it works when it shouldn't work.
She fails at establishing time and place and character in her conflict in her songs and in her persona.
I mean, YES. She totally does, which is why my persona for her, encompassing a kind of desperation and sadness as an undercurrent of fun, has a lot more depth than her stated one (and why I don't want to rely too much on it, it being a series of contortions to find meaning where meaning doesn't obviously present itself). I think that place and character and conflict, when she even attempts them, do nothing to substantially improve her songs, because she's bad at it, and what she's good at should be translatable to just about anyone, yet everyone else I can think of as a forbear I for the most part actively dislike. If I liked it just because it was catchy, I don't see why I would hate "Girlfriend" or "So What." But I do kind of hate those songs.
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I don't get the cheerleader stomp vibe from "Friday I'lL Be Over U" (it strikes me as more pre-"Girlfriend," very Veronicas/Kelly) but "Robot Love" is seriously cheerleader. It samples a song from Jock Jams!
(It might not be two ls, that's just how I spell it.)
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Which is to say, they're comedy. "Party at a Rich Dude's House" isn't, as far as I can tell. although even if it were it wouldn't matter -- all the things that make it sub-par as a serious song make it sub-par as a joke as well. It's just too generic, and doesn't do enough work, writing-wise, to succeed as anything.
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And I threw up in the closet/And I don't care
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