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Frank Kogan ([personal profile] koganbot) wrote2010-02-24 08:48 am

What do philosophers talk about these days?

I asked this of B. Michael over on Tumblr, so I thought I ought to ask it of you all as well:

What do philosophers talk about these days, post-Wittgenstein and post-Kuhn? I've not kept up. (Not that I ever kept up.) Kuhn's notion of "paradigms" gets rid of the need for super-deep universal foundations for the scientific enterprise, and Wittgenstein's "family resemblances" does the same for pretty much everything. So what's left for philosophy? Not that I think philosophy departments should disband, but if I were in one I'd transform it into the Department Of Roving Troubleshooters Who Have More Fun Than Sociologists Seem To Have, or something.

EDIT: Er, perhaps I should elaborate slightly, though that could end up in a tangle, since my elaborations will need elaborations. But, e.g., if you're saying as I do that people's musical tastes tend to cluster by their social class, you then (if you're me) have to explore what you mean by social class (and keep exploring). Now, one could ask a philosopher instead, "Dear philosopher, What do I mean, or what should I mean, by 'social class'?" But it seems to me that what the philosopher says is of no more import than what anyone else says, that if s/he has something to say it isn't because s/he's a philosopher but because s/he's just another person trying to figure out in certain instances what we mean or should mean by "social class" in those and related instances. And as with "social class," so with "meaning" and "language" and so forth.

[identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com 2010-02-26 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
"a paradigm in which to do it" -- is "in" not a misleading preposition? it emphasises the meaning of paradigm, out of the two, which much more leads towards vague handwaving, i think

[identity profile] meserach.livejournal.com 2010-02-26 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
(if no world view is any better than any other, then the statement "no world view is any better than any other" is no better than the statement "some world views are better than others"

That surely depends on your meta-world view!

Perhaps I may surprise you now, but I don;t actually believe in scientific realism. My own position is pretty close to what I've heard described as pragmatism or instrumentalism - scientific (paradigmatic, if you insist) concepts like "atoms" and "photons" are merely useful congitive tools to help scientists make predictions, and the question of whether or not they really exist is one I consider essentially empty.

I think my lack of philosophical interest in the actual concepts within science beyond their instrumental value is what leads me to view Kuhnian paradigms with distaste - they focus on the wrong thing. The paradigm isn;t the point - predictions are the point.

(More later, sleep now, limited time argh)

[identity profile] meserach.livejournal.com 2010-02-27 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
But I don't think we actually do disagree, practically speaking, on what giraffes are. The broad success of modern engineering at achieving goals that most humans recognise as useful itself testifies to a broad consensus on the nature of observation.

You'll probably object that all observation is inherently theory laden, but I'd argue that nearly all human beings (the exceptions being mostly those exhibit high levels of psychosis) have a broad consensus on at least, the idea of perceptible phenomena arrange in a perceptual space and time.

i.e. while maybe we don;t agree on the nature of giraffeness - I will in 99.9% of cases be able to get consensus that there is or isn't giraffe-qualia perceivable "within" the closet-qualia.

If we can't agree that 99.9% of people will agree on the content of their sensory perceptions then we do inevitably fall into relativism, yes. But are we?