Kuhn 22: Botany versus Cookery

[koganbot]

What I posted on girlboymusic's tumblr thread after she'd claimed that "PUMPKIN IS NOT A VEGETABLE. IT'S A FRUIT. SCIENCE." Relevant to Kuhn's idea of incommensurability; the point I always make with the botany-cookery distinction is that one can easily hold both nomenclatures in mind simultaneously, despite their being incommensurable; so knowing one paradigm doesn't make a competing paradigm incomprehensible:

Well, there are different nomenclatures here for different purposes. E.g., in cuisine - and in grocery stores - tomatoes are vegetables not fruits, while in botany tomatoes are fruits, but "vegetable" is not a relevant botanical category (or "vegetable" is a synonym for "plant," but "fruit-vegetable" isn't the relevant division). And in cooking, mushrooms are vegetables, despite not even being a plant in biology; and peanuts are nuts, not peas; and nuts are nuts, not fruits or seeds.

Of course, pumpkins are weird in relation to cooking anyway, since they mainly sell as decoration, and I'd bet the vast majority of their ingestion is when they're sugared up and in pies. But as for pumpkin's basic taste, it's categorized as a squash (as is its plant in botany, Cucurbita pepo), and the part of the squash you eat is a fruit in botany, but it's a vegetable when you eat it. American Heritage Dictionary's def'n of squash: "1. Any of various plants of the genus Cucurbita, having fleshy edible fruit with a hard rind. 2. The fruit of such a plant, used as a vegetable."

Comments

[carsmilesteve.livejournal.com]

got to love that second definition!

in fact i think i might steal it...

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

my mum's line on pumpkin (and marrow) was that they had been allowed to grow too big and were always consequently somewhat flavourless: she way preferred squash and courgette too cook with, though she made a nice stuffed marrow now and then -- but all the flavour was in the stuffing

[edgeofwhatever.livejournal.com]

IT'S A FRUIT.

[atommickbrane.livejournal.com]

Pumpkins = roast pumpkins and pumpkin soup and pumpkin curry rather than pumpkin pie to me - pumpkin pie feels like it comes from cans only and is kind of disconnected in the big old salad of all the pumps. Although; I did have pumpkin pie made from an actual homegrown pumpkin on Monday and it was pretty delicious.

I have a 'munchkin' in my fridge (it is a baby pumpkin) - ANALYSE THIS! I mean, THAT!