Problem here is that the concept of the book isn't "Women singers whom Frank would like to write about" but rather "convincing Ashlee that she should include Joan Baez in her ancestry." Now if I were doing Book One I might include a chapter about X Ray Spex, and one about the Runaways, but, while Poly Styrene and Joan Jett would definitely be part of Ashlee's ancestry, they're not part of the line of descent that I'm tracing to Joan Baez.
As I understand the line of descent from Joan Baez:
Joan Baez --> Mary Travers --> Judy Collins --> others (e.g. [or i.e.] Janis Ian) --> Joni Mitchell --> Pentangle and Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span and all that, plus solo careers, and any woman who sang with Richard Thompson, extra points for singing on a Led Zep album --------> Carly Simon, who sang "You're So Vain" and another hit too --> anybody remember Dory Previn? and what about Marianne Faithfull? --> can we sneak Patti Smith in here because she writes poems? --------> Stevie Nicks (plus someone else in Fleetwood Mac, perhaps) ---------> women in the '80s, right?, like Rickie Lee Jones, though she starts in '9, right? and Indi(e)go Girls, or were they '90s? --> Teena Marie wrote poetry, therefore she counts --> I don't suppose we can count Axl Rose, however -------> people like Erykah Badu, possibly, except I know fuck all about her --> Sophie, Sheryl, Tori, Alanis, Courtney (Courtney's probably borderline as belonging to this line of descent, but if we want to convince Ashlee, we'd better include Courtney, since we're not going to be able to include Gwen) ------> Lilith Fair, whoever --> Buncha other people I've not heard of --> Bjork!?! -------> M2M --> I'd really like to count Britney, but I don't think I can get away with it --> Oh my, there's Nelly Furtado --> Michelle and Pink and Vanessa C. and Avril and Lillix (I can't get away with Shakira, either, can I?) --> Lucy Woodward and Kara DioGuardi and ASHLEE SIMPSON and Kelly Clarkson and Trina and New Era and Lindsay Lohan and eventually Hilary Duff qualifies herself too (and maybe I can sneak Paris Hilton in here) --> godawful (oh, all right, some of it's good) quirk stuff in a range from Tashbed to Amy and including screechers and annoyingly twee lilters from Sweden and Britain and Australia and Canada --> Lily Allen --> Aly & A.J. and TAYLOR SWIFT --> I'd really like to include Lovefoxxx from Cansei de Ser Sexy but that's cheating (otherwise I could just go back and wade in and include Nina Canal and Lydia Lunch and Adele Bertei and Lizzy Mercier Descloux and Susie Timmons and Charlotte Pressler and Kim Gordon and the Raincoats and the Slits and the Bush Tetras etc. etc., who'd certainly belong in Book One but not in this one) --> the saga of Brooke White on American Idol --> Jenny Lewis and Neko Case and other people who are probably a lot worse.
Anyhow, you all should tell me who else belongs, since you're going to write the book and I'm not.
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As I understand the line of descent from Joan Baez:
Joan Baez --> Mary Travers --> Judy Collins --> others (e.g. [or i.e.] Janis Ian) --> Joni Mitchell --> Pentangle and Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span and all that, plus solo careers, and any woman who sang with Richard Thompson, extra points for singing on a Led Zep album --------> Carly Simon, who sang "You're So Vain" and another hit too --> anybody remember Dory Previn? and what about Marianne Faithfull? --> can we sneak Patti Smith in here because she writes poems? --------> Stevie Nicks (plus someone else in Fleetwood Mac, perhaps) ---------> women in the '80s, right?, like Rickie Lee Jones, though she starts in '9, right? and Indi(e)go Girls, or were they '90s? --> Teena Marie wrote poetry, therefore she counts --> I don't suppose we can count Axl Rose, however -------> people like Erykah Badu, possibly, except I know fuck all about her --> Sophie, Sheryl, Tori, Alanis, Courtney (Courtney's probably borderline as belonging to this line of descent, but if we want to convince Ashlee, we'd better include Courtney, since we're not going to be able to include Gwen) ------> Lilith Fair, whoever --> Buncha other people I've not heard of --> Bjork!?! -------> M2M --> I'd really like to count Britney, but I don't think I can get away with it --> Oh my, there's Nelly Furtado --> Michelle and Pink and Vanessa C. and Avril and Lillix (I can't get away with Shakira, either, can I?) --> Lucy Woodward and Kara DioGuardi and ASHLEE SIMPSON and Kelly Clarkson
and Trina and New Eraand Lindsay Lohan and eventually Hilary Duff qualifies herself too (and maybe I can sneak Paris Hilton in here) --> godawful (oh, all right, some of it's good) quirk stuff in a range from Tashbed to Amy and including screechers and annoyingly twee lilters from Sweden and Britain and Australia and Canada --> Lily Allen --> Aly & A.J. and TAYLOR SWIFT --> I'd really like to include Lovefoxxx from Cansei de Ser Sexy but that's cheating (otherwise I could just go back and wade in and include Nina Canal and Lydia Lunch and Adele Bertei and Lizzy Mercier Descloux and Susie Timmons and Charlotte Pressler and Kim Gordon and the Raincoats and the Slits and the Bush Tetras etc. etc., who'd certainly belong in Book One but not in this one) --> the saga of Brooke White on American Idol --> Jenny Lewis and Neko Case and other people who are probably a lot worse.Anyhow, you all should tell me who else belongs, since you're going to write the book and I'm not.