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Frank Kogan ([personal profile] koganbot) wrote2007-07-15 03:31 pm

Help me figure out what I mean by "social class"

Help me write my next column figure out what I mean by the phrase "social class"!

--What do people mean when they say "class"?
--What do I mean when I say "class"?
--What should I mean when I say "class"?

I do not necessarily mind that my own and other people's use of the term is vague and inconsistent and contrary, but I do think I should be more specific about the various different species that my inconsistency and contrariness suggest and my vagueness covers up.

--Mapping one way of classifying stuff (stuff?) onto another. E.g., mapping musical genre ("rock 'n' roll") onto a group of people ("teenagers" or "working-class" or, um, black people? white people? Southerners? urban dwellers? hicks?)
--Do people belong to classes, or are classes just roles they play? Or some mixture? "White person" is supposedly a role I play 24/7, whether I want to or not, but is this true? What about roles I was playing ten years ago: "technical editor"? "Support staff"? "Office temp"? Twenty years ago I'd divided punks up into two broad categories: "office-temp punks" and "bike-messenger punks" (obv. each was a synecdoche (??) (er, metaphor) for a bunch of similar ways of earning money).
--You know, power and stuff: people who pay wages and earn profits as opposed to people who are paid wages and are told what to do. But actual roles don't divide up so easily. Anyway, most people are in the latter category (the category "are told what to do"), but the Get-Tolders, being the vast majority of human beings, divide up into classes themselves.
--Etc.
--Do you know any good books or articles I should read on this subject - not just that discuss "class" but that notice that the term is problematic?

Re: class is the elephant in the room? (Post Two)

[identity profile] speakerstress.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
A person is always both an individual and a social phenomena. Maybe "freak" as a social force has more to do with us as individuals and class (based on education and economics) as a social force has more to do with us as social phenomena. Although, that is to say, I think, that in terms of "class" we have no power, or none individually, but only collectively. But I don't like the way that sounds.

But I gotta go for now. Too much sittin' on my butts, not enough get up and go.

Re: class is the elephant in the room? (Post Two)

[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
that is to say, I think, that in terms of "class" we have no power, or none individually, but only collectively. But I don't like the way that sounds.

Maybe my hang-ups above were related to this uneasy feeling as well -- actually, this gets at what was going on in "Pretty Girls": we have a vague feeling something must be wrong, but often the crisis has more to do with how we've framed the situation (socially or through the language we use) than the situation itself (perhaps the situation isn't a "situation" as in problem-that-requires-solving, but is merely a situation-that-is). One benefit of using high school tags is that we get rid of (some of) the notions that class disparities must be changed or righted. More often (in the HS examples), they simply change as they change (depending on chance, stimuli from pop culture, opinion leaders, etc.) and there isn't some clear "line of action" to take to "fix" the situation. I.e., even if people tend to cluster around skater or prep or jock etc., there's no law saying that [econ bracket] must be [social role], etc. (The Marxist proletarian/bourgeois class split might be helpful in framing a discussion of institutional inequality, but I do wonder -- kind of in response to what Mark is saying above -- whether or not we need such an absolute framework to notice these problems, as if without simplification into clear-cut categories we won't notice that economic/gender/etc. disparities exist. Not rhetorical, either, I really do wonder this and I have about zero grasp of actual Marxist theory via academia 'cept in Hollywood film production.)

Might just be rephrasing some of the above points here. Where this gets a little complicated, I guess, is that there is a "law" of sorts that says "individual people group into classes of people," or more simply, "people group." (Whether or not they want to do it or have control in it is to some extent a side issue; I can wring my hands all I want about where I get grouped, but also can't deny that I'm getting group there, and also can't deny that I don't always mind being grouped, indeed often enjoy being grouped.)

No, I'm still wringing my hands. I just have this feeling that there's some kind of disconnect between the social implications of listening to the music we do as members of a "cluster" and those visceral responses that lead us to like or dislike what we do. Maybe one area that would be useful in "bridging" the insights on social class and visceral response (Metal Clusters versus Boney Joan?) is this idea of "learned taste," the process through which we teach/tell/rationalize to ourselves how to like something, and the processes through which other people facilitate this? Learning to dance, learning to ask the right questions, learning to pay attention or stop paying so much goddam attention -- in fact, I had the lattermost experience watching The Family Stone; about halfway thru the movie I realized I was literally causing myself undue agitation because I was leaning forward, analyzing constantly, "dissecting" it as if it was a Hollis Frampton film. This was totally inappropriate, and even though I still didn't really like the movie, I liked it more than I would have if I'd kept at the rigorous viewing. This varies more for me in music -- I find that I can pay lots of or little attention to Paris without it making much of a difference, but can't listen to most low-key techno outside of headphones; always end up paying a lot of attention to Ashlee when I listen to her, which can be unreasonably taxing depending on the song -- if I listen to "Pieces of Me" the way I listen to "Better Off," I drive myself nuts, in fact often end up skipping track 2 because I'm too invested in it and feel weirdly disappointed. Same experience with Aly and AJ's new alb, which I just bought and sounds GREAT in the background.

Re: class is the elephant in the room? (Post Two)

[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
Is it the music that leaves you wanting more, or the words?

It's basically the words in conjunction with how smoothly the tune goes down. "Better Off" might be its opposite (in my mind, the way I hear 'em), because its breeziness almost completely belies the ambivalence that makes me listen more intently (even now that I know it very well from repeat listens). I suppose as part of an arc it's about as necessary (and, now that I think about it, serves a somewhat similar purpose as) "In Another Life" on the second album, which is similarly wanting in the lyrics department. Although the "pieces of me" is a much more striking metaphor than "another life," which just reminds me of the worst worst worst X-Files episode (non-Mulder/Scully seasons excluded) ever ("The Field Where I Died").

"PoM" is important at track two, which is also the only place to put it and the album would suffer without it for several reasons, not least because, like you said, it's the one track I associate with major airplay and her actual popularity (as opposed to the weird nether-realm of pseudo-popularity she seems stuck in now...saw a lovely post-op summer pic in some magazine and there was zero recognition). Funny that those particular Mon/Tues/Wed lyrics, when you write them out like that, are much more anxious than they sound -- but for some reason the ticking off of those days on the album itself is too clean, too "calendar montage," it's SO pleasant that the anxiety can't quite overcome the serenity. You even get the real-life unhappy ending(s) in the album -- even when you know the real-world chronology, "Surrender" is an important late track that seems to uproot with a kind of righteous anger a lot of what's come before ("I may be sweet but I'm still on the vine/ You couldn't wait, no you had to take your bite"...makes you wonder what the hell was happening before this experience), and "Undiscovered" is elegaic -- "don't walk away" is a pretty brutal way to end an album in my book, since its how I'd probably end my autobiography, too. (And between them is "Nothing New," bitter and jaded -- maybe the most telling precursor to I Am Me? Never thought about it that way before, anyway. And then "Giving It All Away," which is more interesting/weirdly pessimistic the more I think about the incongruity of that final verse with the first trite verse).

Reading Marooned (the Stranded sequel) now and I'm thinking Autobiography might be my desert island album at this point, in part because of the myriad ways I can listen to it. When I want to think, I can think, when I want to "shut off my brain" and go for a walk (or turn it back on and go for a walk) I can do that, too. And there's so much promise in it.

Will stew s'more about yer classes, which seem like a productive spot to be putting my brain energies (hm, parties and magnets both excellent metaphors, actually, not sure why I'm still being so resistant since I've been following the column itself just fine!). Return of the slight musings on 'slebs-as-class coming up this or next month (expanded on "mini-bling"), basically arguing that the result of knee-jerk class-y reactions even within pop have led to more modest signifiers of wealth in music (my examples are somewhat lacking but the idea is interesting, and Hilary and P!nk are good for a full column on this topic, anyway), to sort of mirror the weirdly apocalyptic vibe happening at the industry level these days.

Re: class is the elephant in the room? (Post Two)

[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
"it" in first parag is "Pieces of You," serves a similar purpose arcwise as "In Another Life."