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Frank Kogan ([personal profile] koganbot) wrote2007-07-15 03:31 pm

Help me figure out what I mean by "social class"

Help me write my next column figure out what I mean by the phrase "social class"!

--What do people mean when they say "class"?
--What do I mean when I say "class"?
--What should I mean when I say "class"?

I do not necessarily mind that my own and other people's use of the term is vague and inconsistent and contrary, but I do think I should be more specific about the various different species that my inconsistency and contrariness suggest and my vagueness covers up.

--Mapping one way of classifying stuff (stuff?) onto another. E.g., mapping musical genre ("rock 'n' roll") onto a group of people ("teenagers" or "working-class" or, um, black people? white people? Southerners? urban dwellers? hicks?)
--Do people belong to classes, or are classes just roles they play? Or some mixture? "White person" is supposedly a role I play 24/7, whether I want to or not, but is this true? What about roles I was playing ten years ago: "technical editor"? "Support staff"? "Office temp"? Twenty years ago I'd divided punks up into two broad categories: "office-temp punks" and "bike-messenger punks" (obv. each was a synecdoche (??) (er, metaphor) for a bunch of similar ways of earning money).
--You know, power and stuff: people who pay wages and earn profits as opposed to people who are paid wages and are told what to do. But actual roles don't divide up so easily. Anyway, most people are in the latter category (the category "are told what to do"), but the Get-Tolders, being the vast majority of human beings, divide up into classes themselves.
--Etc.
--Do you know any good books or articles I should read on this subject - not just that discuss "class" but that notice that the term is problematic?

Re: class is the elephant in the room?

[identity profile] speakerstress.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Duh, I should have asked “class is the elephant in the CLASSroom”?

(1&2) Depends on what you keep in your closet? I agree here and wouldn’t want to say high school social groups can be put on and taken off like Bowie/Madonna career moves. I just wanted to suggest “Preppies” and “burnouts” seems like a kind of social category easier to put on and take off than an ed-econ class, so maybe we don’t want to call them classes?

(3) ‘"Prep" and "jock" and "burnout" and "skater" …this is a guess…membership in them is a better predictor of the students' future income and social role than would, say, their parents' current income and social role.” My guess is that your guess is mostly American dream myth and illusory but a very interesting question, nonetheless, both in terms of what are the links between the high school social groups and the “class” home you come from and in terms of which better predicts your future class prospects. I’ll snoop around for some literature.

(4) I agree, only, again, still I’m not sure you want to call these high school groups “classes.” Maybe because I’m afraid that doing so would fuck up how “class” fits into one of my Hero Stories?

(5) The arty-boho types or freaks have never been prominent enough in either the high school I attended eons ago or the few high schools I’ve worked in over the last decade. And this seems crucial to how I misunderstand some of your ideas about this stuff but also why they fascinate me so. Your thing about the freaks seems romantic and exciting and I wish I did attend or teach at such a high school. I’d love to try to work with the freaks. Note, I don’t say I would like to be or have been a freak. It seems unfathomable to me because of some weird shame and pride thing I feel about my family and class.

(6) Maybe the burnouts are “freaks” with low self-esteem?