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Frank Kogan ([personal profile] koganbot) wrote2009-09-03 06:14 am

Hip-hop marmalade spic and span

Just posted this on Dave's tumblr, my disagreeing with his designating LFO's "Summer Girls" a novelty song and with his contention that LFO are trying to be really stupid:

The song doesn't feel like a novelty to me, but rather just what it seems to be, a summertime song that's steeped in a haze of free-associative nostalgia. And none of the lyrics come across as stupid or strange in that context, since their premise is that a particular time and place, and friendships with particular people, will call forth particular associations. So New Kids had a bunch of hits (yeah, OK, a summer ten years earlier, more or less), Chinese food makes him sick (a reference to a particular incident, you can see it happening among him and his friends), Shakespeare and Paul Revere (not as clear a picture, maybe Will S. is assigned summer reading; LFO are from Massachusetts where Paul Revere's ride is part of official local history, the Boston Marathon run each year on the ride's anniversary), the mixture of references we understand and those we don't making perfect sense given this premise. Rather skillful, I think, more effectively dreamy than it would be without the idiosyncrasies. But not a novelty, given that summer songs are something you get every summer.

[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2009-09-03 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Left a few more comments on this one at the Tumblr, but to paraphrase here:

(1) I fundamentally agree with how Frank characterizes the song, and my use of "stupid" is too harsh. "Arbitrary and strange" is more accurate. But

(2) That still qualifies it as a novelty for me, as not every novelty has to shove its literal novelty in yer face ("Girlfriend" shoves everything in your face but still essentially sounds like a Dr. Luke derivative, and "Tap That" is both better AND more novel!). I can't imagine any other song that "reads" anything like "Summer Girls," except

(3) Then I remembered someone mentioning that "steal your honey like I stole your bike" is a quote from the Beastie Boys song "New Style," and looking at those lyrics, the similarities in lyrical approach slapped me in the face. LFO were looking for the union between the Beastie and Backstreet Boys, and damned if they didn't find something interesting. "Paul Revere" could well be a Beasties nod as well. I'm going to do a line by line look and try to reconstruct the free-associative jam session Rich Cronin ("said my name was Rich!") may have gone through to write the song in the first place, since as far as I know no one has ever actually looked to see how these lyrics might fit together before.

[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2009-09-03 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Thing is, I'm guessing that the Beasties and Backstreets were essentially from the same places, generally speaking -- suburban, seeming to be "imposters" or imitators in what they were doing (hence "boyband" sticks to BSBs, NSync, etc. hearkening back to NKOTB, even though BSBs sounded very little like NKOTB and much more like, say, Boyz II Men -- Boyz right in the name yet they weren't a "boyband"). I can imagine a Rich Cronin taking great solace in the Beasties, especially when thrown into the Lou Pearlman universe of boyband construction -- aside from being popular among the demographic pretty generally they also offer someone like Cronin a way out of the biz world's baggage -- respect on his own terms. Which sounds like what he kind of wanted (out of the biz world's baggage) in the few interviews I've read of him (he did a big one with Howard Stern recently).

[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2009-09-03 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess what I really mean in all honesty is "goofy white boys doing black music."

[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2009-09-03 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
And perhaps a better word than suburban would be "safe." You don't need to literally be of suburbia to nonetheless shelter your audience from the assumed dangers of "pure" strains of whatever is you're deviating from.