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Erika, where are you?
Oh, the Jukebox is going on again about Lily in a way that once again makes me very grumpy. I mean jeez, the song isn't about the only possible choices that any young woman may have but about the choices some women feel they have, with popstar Lily the songwriter who will never be in her protagonist's exact situation nevertheless having equivalent feelings burnt into her, not the protagonist's potential shutdown but her own. (How many women pop singers are skipping merrily into their thirties with their careers intact?)
I thought Lily's phrase "in this day and age" was a deliberate distancing device, an obvious archaism that lets us know that the diction isn't a hundred percent Lily's. Maybe I'm not right about that, but obv obv obv Lily knows that the protagonist doesn't represent all women.
I do like Xhuxk's and Lex's takes even though they're contrary to one another and somewhat contrary to what I just said, but some of the other guys just don't want to give Lily a break. They're looking to feel superior. I wonder that they don't wonder why they want to beat Lily down so much. (Of course, I write plenty of reviews where I'm coming off as superior, but I'm usually right.)
I generally do like the Jukebox crew, though 'cause of old ilX shit it doesn't feel like a safe place to me, which isn't its fault and probably those few Jukeboxers who were anywhere near the ilX creepy stuff have outgrown it (and were only a wee bit involved in the first place) so these fears are just holdovers, but there are also just too many other things in my queue today... but if Erika had shown up for the convo you can bet I'd been in it, and I don't know why she didn't. She was excellent on this song here. Erika, where are you? If I'd known you weren't going to show I'd have cribbed your ideas.
I remember Martin Kavka saying about Brooks & Dunn's "Cowgirls Don't Cry": "Dolly Parton wouldn't stand for this, would she?" And my thought was, yeah, but the song isn't about Dolly Parton, and why can't this other woman also be a subject for a song? (I do think I got Martin to come around a bit on that song.)
[To anticipate Will's request: yeah I might add the Lily part of this post - but not the stuff about the Jukeboxers - to the Jukebox comment thread, but I really want to set my mind elsewhere today. Wish I were more involved in the day-to-day Jukebox convo but it's been coming too fast for me over the last couple of months.]
I thought Lily's phrase "in this day and age" was a deliberate distancing device, an obvious archaism that lets us know that the diction isn't a hundred percent Lily's. Maybe I'm not right about that, but obv obv obv Lily knows that the protagonist doesn't represent all women.
I do like Xhuxk's and Lex's takes even though they're contrary to one another and somewhat contrary to what I just said, but some of the other guys just don't want to give Lily a break. They're looking to feel superior. I wonder that they don't wonder why they want to beat Lily down so much. (Of course, I write plenty of reviews where I'm coming off as superior, but I'm usually right.)
I generally do like the Jukebox crew, though 'cause of old ilX shit it doesn't feel like a safe place to me, which isn't its fault and probably those few Jukeboxers who were anywhere near the ilX creepy stuff have outgrown it (and were only a wee bit involved in the first place) so these fears are just holdovers, but there are also just too many other things in my queue today... but if Erika had shown up for the convo you can bet I'd been in it, and I don't know why she didn't. She was excellent on this song here. Erika, where are you? If I'd known you weren't going to show I'd have cribbed your ideas.
I remember Martin Kavka saying about Brooks & Dunn's "Cowgirls Don't Cry": "Dolly Parton wouldn't stand for this, would she?" And my thought was, yeah, but the song isn't about Dolly Parton, and why can't this other woman also be a subject for a song? (I do think I got Martin to come around a bit on that song.)
[To anticipate Will's request: yeah I might add the Lily part of this post - but not the stuff about the Jukeboxers - to the Jukebox comment thread, but I really want to set my mind elsewhere today. Wish I were more involved in the day-to-day Jukebox convo but it's been coming too fast for me over the last couple of months.]
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It's kind of amazing really -- I'm usually not down with those sorts of arguments either, but holy jeez it's so clearly gender-based! The convo I had with a friend was really interesting, actually; she was at my place with her boyfriend and I explained how I came around to "Not Fair" and how it brought out some of my own prejudices and shitheadedness even in defending the song. Apparently my friend and her boyfriend had had the exact same conversation, leading him to the exact same understanding that I had.
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I don't think it's even the prejudices and shitheadedness that bother me so much -- there's nothing wrong with a little kneejerk defensiveness when you think your gender is being badly represent -- but the sheer fucking mental laziness on the part of people who say things like "she's too demanding" and "she should just be glad he calls her back." I mean, think about the song for two fucking seconds. But they're not willing to think about it, because Lily isn't being what a girl should be, and if a girl isn't being what a girl should be, then they don't have to listen to her. And that is what Lily's unahppy about in the first place! And yet they still can't see it! Ugh!